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Exxon, Valero Face New Curbs on Cancer-Causing Gases

Bloomberg -- July 2 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is considering new curbs on U.S. oil refineries whose gas emissions pose a cancer risk to hundreds of thousands of people living near the plants, setting up a potential conflict with companies over the cost of new regulations.

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Submitted Jul 02, 2009 By: clement007

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philthethrill Champion Author Hamilton Posts:3,214 Points:639,915 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:25:03 PM Ignore philthethrill Report Abuse i agree with you - LetemEatCake - i don't live near one but there has to be some basis for these complaints - it makes good corporate sense Not to kill or injure your neighbours
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:439,170 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:24:35 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse TommyTraveler from Cincinnati... Sounds like you are referring to that ridiculous Joe Barton Blog called: "BARTON: Sending us back to 1875 - Reducing our carbon footprint". Nea? Please remember, if that is the case...Barton's credentials are more than a bit suspect. HE IS SO FAR UP THE REAR OF BIG OIL HE CANNOT SEE OUT! I also believe Joe and the Texas Governor were in cahoots on the issue of Texas seceding from the Union recently. That didn't work out too well in 1865! Can we get back to the issue of cancer causing gases from refineries? Our future is alternative energy as other posters have already mentioned. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/3/2009 12:25:10 AM EST]
acknot Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,490 Points:769,335 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:22:51 PM Ignore acknot Report Abuse Obama costs us more money everyday. These added costs will be passed on to us.
cudatim Champion Author San Antonio Posts:1,809 Points:785,790 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:20:02 PM Ignore cudatim Report Abuse Obama is going to stick it to as many people as he can.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,621 Points:1,384,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:16:59 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse The future is an alternative energy without these problems. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,696 Points:723,005 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:15:02 PM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse We may as well go back to the 1890s with Mr. Obama in office.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:3,895 Points:1,005,645 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:13:46 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse Leave it to BO. Another grab for the government to take over.
PioneerUrban Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,698 Points:532,505 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:12:15 PM Ignore PioneerUrban Report Abuse Bend over. More is coming our way!
ChEPhD Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:1,050 Points:212,470 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:11:37 PM Ignore ChEPhD Report Abuse obama's hand in everything industry in our country is getting out of hand..
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,800 Points:439,170 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:10:35 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse OilBGone From New Jersey... We have had this discussion before. We were having a good, spirited discussion on Cancer causing gases from Refineries...and you had to spew! The President's name is OBAMA without embellishment. You needn't agree with him, in fact that you don't IF you had a viable comment to make could make this thread more interesting. However, as a citizen, you are one right?, you owe the office respect. The same basic stuff you learned at home. Your schoolyard puns belong with the boys in the schoolyard. You can blow off the health risks of refineries all you want until you live near one. But it is easy to ignore other peoples tribulations and health issues if you can't see them. Even OSHA regs regarding inhalants, has very strict rules on the wearing of personal protection equipment such as respirators when limits are higher than allowed, for example, benzene. Benzene is just one of the air-borne carcinogens from Oil refining. Google it, if you care. The people who live in proximity of the refineries, particularly children can breath these deadly chemicals 24/7. And, come to think about it...don't wear respirators. But, you don't about their additional health-care costs, because you can't see them. You really need to have first hand experience. Perhaps we can plop one of the big refineries from OK, TX, or LA right down in your neighborhood? Up for it? Further, nothing has changed, same ruling that the previous admin signed as he was walking out the door....perhaps we should look into that! GAWD forbid if we cut into the obscene profits of BIG OIL. Further, this is old news....last one was posted yesterday on GB. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 7/3/2009 12:13:08 AM EST]
CobraLeader Champion Author New Jersey Posts:248,962 Points:1,136,675 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:10:28 PM Ignore CobraLeader Report Abuse Just whose side is OBAMA on anyway?
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,948 Points:750,620 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:07:26 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse FrisperCat - Cool, and thanks! You made my night.
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,484 Points:515,440 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 10:05:32 PM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse what is he trying to do now...no one listened and now it's "I told you so!"
Ken2OD Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:4,103 Points:1,000,485 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:58:58 PM Ignore Ken2OD Report Abuse Premier Barack is doing his damnedest to make us a Socialistic nation.
FrisperCat Champion Author Anchorage Posts:2,381 Points:552,340 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:49:32 PM Ignore FrisperCat Report Abuse LOL - love your comments almost as much as i love your handle and avatar OilBGone!!!! keep it up - more people need to hear it!
Jarod13 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,885 Points:639,475 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:48:57 PM Ignore Jarod13 Report Abuse dick57 -- I'm with you. I'm almost afraid of what President Obama has in store for us tomorrow, the next day, the day after that...with each passing day, he's coming up with new ways of raising our taxes. There's no way of telling how far he's willing to go before we find ourselves bankrupt and begging the Chinese for a bailout. President Obama is leading us down a path of insurmountable debt, with no end in sight!
OilBGone Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,948 Points:750,620 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:44:08 PM Ignore OilBGone Report Abuse We can't have these stupid costly regulations causing a drain on profits. Cancer-shmancer. O'Bummer must think this is a commie country...why is he trying to do this? He is ruining America, and we are being flushed down the toilet by him. We only have 6 months left now.* Disclaimer - I do not feel this way. I am just saving some of you dolts from having to type. [Edited by: OilBGone at 7/2/2009 11:44:52 PM EST]*
ChiKid Champion Author Denver Posts:1,858 Points:517,520 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:42:09 PM Ignore ChiKid Report Abuse Is there more pollution from the refineries or from the coal burning power plants? Would we be better off improving the scrubbers at power plants than the emissions at refineries? I do not know the answer. Which is the bigger bang for the buck?
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:4,987 Points:1,111,940 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:40:22 PM Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse You mean my health will get better when the 4 or 5 refineries within 10 miles of where I, and perhaps 1 million other people, live will improve when they come into compliance?
billsandi Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,572 Points:1,408,225 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:27:41 PM Ignore billsandi Report Abuse He'd probably save money by MOVING the people!
jmuse Champion Author Long Island Posts:2,219 Points:445,370 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:25:22 PM Ignore jmuse Report Abuse Money vs. health.
dick57 Veteran Author Winnipeg Posts:256 Points:95,945 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:16:49 PM Ignore dick57 Report Abuse Don't get out of bed tomorrow - it's too risky!
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:5,253 Points:528,570 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 9:02:40 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse According to the article American refinerys have spent $100 billion on reducing emissions since 1990. That's a lot of money. How much more will possible new regulations cost the refinerys that will be passed on to the consumers? How many jobs losses cascaded though our economy because of higher costs? The best thing for the environment is prosperity. Why is it that are Government is for making America less prosperous? And if you want real pollution, go visit China. [Edited by: sillywagon at 7/2/2009 11:02:54 PM EST]
TomT2Lee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,470 Points:1,091,790 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:56:51 PM Ignore TomT2Lee Report Abuse And the hits keep coming. All hail king Obama.
cincidap Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,080 Points:602,350 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:55:54 PM Ignore cincidap Report Abuse Wow... refining is already the rate-limiting step for gas production and now the Chosen One wants to make it even harder! Show me the numbers on those "carcinogens". If one of them is carbon dioxide, I'll puke.
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,247 Points:656,910 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:52:39 PM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse So, what's wrong with stopping carcinogens ??
freerobert Veteran Author California Posts:355 Points:483,400 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:45:03 PM Ignore freerobert Report Abuse The government seems to keep forcing jobs out of the states. The unemplyed % is still climbing. The government is here to help, of course. HA
eights Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,889 Points:512,105 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:43:31 PM Ignore eights Report Abuse he we go again
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,930 Points:818,685 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:40:10 PM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse And we will pay for this bright "Obama" idea too!
MnMarty All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:608 Points:123,560 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:37:46 PM Ignore MnMarty Report Abuse He has got to get the price of gas to over $10.00 a gal. Otherwise no one will buy the cars made by Government Moters.
mdegug Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,060 Points:394,025 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:29:04 PM Ignore mdegug Report Abuse what else is new
bigmaninarig Champion Author St. Louis Posts:3,078 Points:539,715 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:23:21 PM Ignore bigmaninarig Report Abuse What doesn't cause cancer???
mach1lives Sophomore Author Riverside Posts:192 Points:592,115 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:21:54 PM Ignore mach1lives Report Abuse All I can say is standby for heavy rolls as the obama ship comes about.
grandamgt1 Veteran Author Illinois Posts:423 Points:406,285 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 8:03:12 PM Ignore grandamgt1 Report Abuse jeez! he just cant help to try and raise gas prices, can he..... maybe then we would buy his chevy volt.
TXGasPriceSpy Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:2,691 Points:505,495 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:59:57 PM Ignore TXGasPriceSpy Report Abuse Those who voted for change are getting just what they voted for. Steel mills and refineries ARE bad news. If you live near one or live in CA better start making plans to move before it's too late. I didn't hear much about CA today, maybe everybody starting to leave.
dhnbBUG Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,621 Points:732,055 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:57:32 PM Ignore dhnbBUG Report Abuse About time someone protected the people from cancer-causing gases.
mreMN Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:398 Points:173,455 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:54:05 PM Ignore mreMN Report Abuse Too bad they couldn't build these refineries farther away from the public.
agojan Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,700 Points:603,090 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:48:47 PM Ignore agojan Report Abuse I guess the US should just close all their refineries and just import the few gallons of gas they will need per.
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,020 Points:1,214,300 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:47:12 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse I live less than 2 miles from ConocoPhillips which is expanding its refining business to include the Alberta oil sands crude. I heard a few days ago that we were in one of the highest areas in Madison County, IL., for pollution from the steel mills and refineries. They should have tough standards to meet for clean air. If they want to shut down the refinery then maybe the government should take it over and see if they can do better. Might stop the manipulation of supply and gas prices.
seville04 Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:3,193 Points:1,156,565 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:46:08 PM Ignore seville04 Report Abuse Yes, which is why I would never live near a refinery.
FordF2502001 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:3,077 Points:668,125 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:44:52 PM Ignore FordF2502001 Report Abuse I agree with the refineries, close it down and move operations to other countries that want business and manufacturing. I could go along with all this BS if China and India would but they both have said no way. Now they will take even more of our jobs. Good job Obama, and today you said you are very concerned about jobs in America - Straight up Liar!
kellerman Champion Author Maine Posts:1,768 Points:543,065 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:41:26 PM Ignore kellerman Report Abuse if people are being harmed by these emissions then it needs to be done
mike911 Champion Author Detroit Posts:3,914 Points:1,211,465 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:40:44 PM Ignore mike911 Report Abuse The should not do this anyway!
purvismike Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,495 Points:301,910 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:36:48 PM Ignore purvismike Report Abuse Obama is just taxing the reular working man in different ways other than thru reuglar income.
kruk Champion Author London Posts:2,843 Points:332,715 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:36:30 PM Ignore kruk Report Abuse US president knows that american people do not need gas - they can use bicycles - cars are for high sociaty people only - just look China
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:3,860 Points:731,485 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:33:41 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse I need a scorecard to keep track of all these decrees, regulations, and taxes that Washington is pumping out like a fire hose lately to radically increase their intrusion into our lives.
paulydel Champion Author Delaware Posts:4,233 Points:467,180 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:32:26 PM Ignore paulydel Report Abuse I hate to tell you but there are alot of people who live near a refinery someplace. That being said Mr. Obama doesn't know shit from shinola about what the risks are. This guy is going to run us into bankruptcy and he has a good start.
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:6,876 Points:1,278,470 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:31:06 PM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse If I understand what some folks are saying, who are against these measures: it is OK for Exxon and Valero (and the other GREEDY REFINERS who are GOUGING HUGE PROFITS while we struggle to make ends meet) to poison the air as long as the price of gasoline at the pump stays down?!? The fact that they DO pump poisons into the air has to have a price the REFINERS must pay, and while we do feel that at the pump, I for one, would rather breathe clean air, pay a little more, and devote myself towards getting AWAY from the easy way of liquid petroleum-based fuels and SEEK ALTERNATIVES! Meanwhile, I'll CONSERVE, so the cost impact isn't felt so hard, and I'll DRIVE SMART so I use much less liquid petroleum-based fuel...
clement007 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,136 Points:879,325 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:27:59 PM Ignore clement007 Report Abuse Who is curbing this Mr. Canada Liberal? I do not hear anybody that lives near the refineries complaining.Obama wants to screw capitalism and all of us who do the consuming including me!
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:12,828 Points:2,548,180 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:24:44 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse It is obvious that the President wants to drive up the cost of fuel (again hurting the average joe).
PissedCanuck Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,832 Points:820,385 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:23:48 PM Ignore PissedCanuck Report Abuse Who would even live near a refinery in the first place? With the NIMBY attitude ingrained into all of us, the refinery would not even be there in the first place.
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,341 Points:821,295 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 2, 2009 7:21:53 PM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse So where's the problem?