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By-the-mile road tax could replace by-the-gallon federal fue

The Kansas City Star -- The year is 2020 and the gasoline tax is history. In its place you get a monthly tax bill based on each mile you drove — tracked by a Global Positioning System device in your car and uploaded to a billing center.

What once was science fiction is being field-tested by the University of Iowa to iron out the wrinkles should a by-the-mile road tax ever be enacted.

Besides the technological advances making such a tax possible, the idea is getting a hard push from a growing number of transportation experts and officials. That is because the traditional by-the-gallon fuel tax, struggling to keep up with road building and maintenance demands, could fall even farther behind as vehicles’ gas mileage rises and more alternative-fuel vehicles come on line.

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Submitted Jul 02, 2009 By: mapcat

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Hambone61 Champion Author Oregon Posts:12,060 Points:2,062,340 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 9:20:01 PM Ignore Hambone61 Report Abuse jsmithpdx111: I am aware there are many who like government control over every aspect of our lives.... trouble is..... I don't know why! Sad, ain't it?
jsmithpdx111 Rookie Author Oregon Posts:1 Points:120 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 8:33:40 PM Ignore jsmithpdx111 Report Abuse We Oregonians don't all think like Hambone61.
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:4,345 Points:1,100,395 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 4, 2009 2:51:22 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse Penalizes people who have to drive alot and may have purchased a fuel efficient vehicle.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,965 Points:1,173,195 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 9:33:30 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse THIS STINKS FOR SO MANY REASONS!!
FordF2502001 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,678 Points:1,154,720 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 8:02:15 PM Ignore FordF2502001 Report Abuse awesome idea, would definitely cut down on miles driven in my house
geminijax Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:14,362 Points:2,271,310 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 5:04:04 PM Ignore geminijax Report Abuse Hambone61, I love your "lie tax" idea. All those politicians should be required to carry a screen with them at all times that shows how much "lie tax" they own. As several folks have said, this is indeed an attempt to violate our privacy, one more step on the way to a police state.
Hambone61 Champion Author Oregon Posts:12,060 Points:2,062,340 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 1:32:20 PM Ignore Hambone61 Report Abuse This could be a great idea only lets use it to track our Congressmen/women and Senators. We could post their locations on the Internet and this way we will know if they are doing hanky panky or in their office where they belong. And speaking of taxes.... let's put a tax on lies, this should reap enough to pay off the national debt in no time. We will tax all bureaucrats including the POTUS and first lady. WOW.... what a concept! Installed on each will be a counter registering every type of lie from little white ones to great big whoppers, of course, the whoppers will have a much higher tax. The money could easily be removed from their wages each month, if they are like many I know, they may have to pay when tallied instead of getting a paycheck. Do you think this may change things a little? Don't you agree this may be the type of "change we can believe in"?
rightsurrey Champion Author Vancouver Posts:1,628 Points:913,455 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 12:08:41 PM Ignore rightsurrey Report Abuse Yes but it isn't 2020 yet. In the meantime raise gas taxes to encourage economy and make up for the shortfall in revenue caused by more fuel efficient vehicles.
clement007 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,806 Points:1,385,475 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 10:19:48 AM Ignore clement007 Report Abuse Where is this in our constitution? THIS IS WRONG!
thwadi Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,553 Points:896,955 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 8:06:19 AM Ignore thwadi Report Abuse 60% of what I earn is taxed already. This is more BS.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,988 Points:767,005 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 7:19:17 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse If we MUST tax, then if we want to get rid of the Gas Guzzlers, reduce wear & tear on our roads....Tax based upon vehicle WEIGHT. Not a new idea!
kelsielee Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,389 Points:672,025 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 7:10:19 AM Ignore kelsielee Report Abuse Somehow we have to find a way to pay for road building and maintenance. If not and roads deteriorate, then everyone will complsin about the quality of the roads.
largobob Champion Author Tampa Posts:15,593 Points:2,914,010 Joined:Dec 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 6:48:29 AM Ignore largobob Report Abuse This would only encourage higher consumption...this is garbage.
BH24 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:4,930 Points:1,116,675 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 5:31:15 AM Ignore BH24 Report Abuse George Orwell must be feeling vindicated based on the climate of things that are unfolding these days.
Hunter724 Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:5,757 Points:1,178,240 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 5:04:14 AM Ignore Hunter724 Report Abuse Very interesting..............
RocketGeek Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:8,236 Points:1,644,960 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:53:15 AM Ignore RocketGeek Report Abuse Sounds like a way to limit America's mobility and freedom.
jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:4,345 Points:1,100,395 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:25:38 AM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse What's wrong with the consumption model? This seems to penalize people who have purchased more efficient vehicles because they do drive alot.
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:7,773 Points:1,251,690 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:04:06 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse Don't we have a by the mile road tax now? The more miles I drive, the more gallons I need and the more tax I pay. This by the mile scheme is simply another way to raise taxes higher.
stpetebp Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,125 Points:1,285,600 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 4:00:43 AM Ignore stpetebp Report Abuse BS!!
run101 Champion Author San Jose Posts:8,885 Points:1,758,740 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:58:31 AM Ignore run101 Report Abuse What a stupid idea! You can park your hybrid car at home and provide hybrid car battery power to the house electricity. It is fuel tax free! It is also fuel tax free for portable electric generator running on gas or diesel. What about people unplug the big brother GPS power or shield the GPS antenna to save some by-the-mile tax?
oilrobber Champion Author Miami Posts:7,287 Points:1,467,385 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:58:05 AM Ignore oilrobber Report Abuse Nothing in the United States makes sense anymore. What the HELL ever happened to common sense. Here in Florida we spend hundreds of millions for landscape on Florida roads. Who cares if you have cluster of Palm trees and other crap. Why design a car to get better mileage, that will be meaningless. I say less government, less government programs. Then you will see how much money would be saved.
BigDogOH Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,128 Points:1,340,920 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:57:41 AM Ignore BigDogOH Report Abuse So I pay as much with my SUV as The Preous people do
mdegug Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,068 Points:414,260 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:57:07 AM Ignore mdegug Report Abuse old news
Ratso Champion Author Ohio Posts:15,055 Points:2,218,920 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:48:50 AM Ignore Ratso Report Abuse What a way to rip the heart out of vacations....this administration has got to go !
BM4225 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,921 Points:1,667,460 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:44:33 AM Ignore BM4225 Report Abuse This would mean those that chose to get MPG vehicles would pay the same tax as those that wish to get 100 MPG. So why bother with the better MPG vehicle? Tax by consumption, and since we are using less, then increase the tax to replace lost revenue.
BoerneWatch Champion Author San Antonio Posts:12,925 Points:1,987,105 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:41:13 AM Ignore BoerneWatch Report Abuse Life was just too simple.
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,762 Points:2,090,920 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:39:23 AM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse I would be pretty strongly opposed to this idea. It is a disincentive to fuel economy and also a personal intrusion. As cars get smaller and more efficient, well constructed roads should require less maintanence. If they need more money for roads there must be a better way to pay. How about road tolls?
cheapertvs Champion Author Richmond Posts:7,846 Points:2,274,820 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:34:07 AM Ignore cheapertvs Report Abuse This tax would be counter productive and would discourage buying the smaller fuel efficient cars.
matifu Veteran Author Florida Posts:334 Points:100,915 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:33:34 AM Ignore matifu Report Abuse And then finally our lovely government will know about our whereabouts all the time. Will be a lot more easier to control us.
theawesome1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:6,973 Points:1,303,385 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:33:21 AM Ignore theawesome1 Report Abuse Well we may be taxed, but a GPS which is history next year, will not be working so good luck.........
SpruceGuse2 Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,442 Points:1,999,705 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:33:11 AM Ignore SpruceGuse2 Report Abuse The price of driving will only increase and we will continue to accept it.
jimmy123NE Champion Author Omaha Posts:4,386 Points:1,060,105 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:28:24 AM Ignore jimmy123NE Report Abuse I hope this will never happen. It is bad the way it is. This will only complicate things!
OilerFan Champion Author Tulsa Posts:11,801 Points:2,120,970 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:27:47 AM Ignore OilerFan Report Abuse Facist state grows stronger.
Metroman Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:8,244 Points:1,748,885 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:26:57 AM Ignore Metroman Report Abuse Oh that's great?! I guess there will be more old cars on the road that don't have GPS systems.
kolache101 Champion Author Spartanburg Posts:9,058 Points:1,639,580 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:24:42 AM Ignore kolache101 Report Abuse I drive a Prius - 46.5 mpg. The gas tax gives me an advantage over the gas hog. The BTM tax would penalize a car that gets good mileage! This is probably the most stupid way to tax - it would stop conservation of energy! Only Congress could find an advantage in that........... It sounds like an idea that only a 'Barney Frank' democrat would conceive! There cannot be that many ignorant people in government..I hope!
sherlockMS Champion Author Mississippi Posts:1,349 Points:314,290 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:24:26 AM Ignore sherlockMS Report Abuse by the mile tax will kill the economy
harleydoctor Champion Author Kansas Posts:4,970 Points:1,461,610 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:20:28 AM Ignore harleydoctor Report Abuse Sounds to me like its about time to get out the tube of KY jelly......
Gas Slave Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:5,596 Points:1,229,650 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:17:31 AM Ignore Gas Slave Report Abuse "Also, how about a 'legislator tax', drop their salaries down to under $100k a year and use the savings there for road taxes." I like it, but let's take it a step further, $25,000 and you work for the people. That way, they would be less likely to be a lifer like too many of them are today, and we would greatly limit the crap legislation that the House passed last Friday.
JadeKY Champion Author Louisville Posts:6,355 Points:1,261,730 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:17:03 AM Ignore JadeKY Report Abuse I'll go to riding a bicycle if that happens, too much 1984 in that Ideal.
cnw 1690 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:11,108 Points:2,327,080 Joined:Oct 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:11:51 AM Ignore cnw 1690 Report Abuse How about using the fuel tax ONLY on road upkeep, instead of using it to subsidize everything under the sun. Also, how about a 'legislator tax', drop their salaries down to under $100k a year and use the savings there for road taxes. These idiots in Washington are supposed to be serving their country, not raping it over a pork barrel.
mazdaboy Champion Author Portland Posts:5,553 Points:1,636,230 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:08:44 AM Ignore mazdaboy Report Abuse So what happens when we have transporters that beam us from one place to another. How will we tax that?
leeso1 Champion Author San Diego Posts:5,155 Points:913,205 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:08:28 AM Ignore leeso1 Report Abuse fiction?
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:16,298 Points:2,252,665 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:05:36 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse Heaven forbid.
Harvolis Champion Author Montana Posts:6,136 Points:2,085,960 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 3:04:45 AM Ignore Harvolis Report Abuse Let your friends drive your car and send them the bill!!!
Mark929 Champion Author Oakland Posts:5,752 Points:1,125,960 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:59:52 AM Ignore Mark929 Report Abuse I don't support this scenario.
UTOrangeMan Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,949 Points:555,250 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:49:49 AM Ignore UTOrangeMan Report Abuse Communism plain and simple.
Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:2,388 Points:954,270 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:49:47 AM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse Those who are trying to conserve would be punished. They would be taxing the EVs and for what? That sucks.
garthfanok1 Veteran Author Indiana Posts:454 Points:104,565 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:47:40 AM Ignore garthfanok1 Report Abuse find that wire and clip it!!
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,298 Points:1,190,855 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:46:57 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse Not only will they use it for taxes but they would be able to watch every move we make- there will be no privacy.
mandoid Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:5,042 Points:1,084,155 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 3, 2009 2:44:21 AM Ignore mandoid Report Abuse this is a power grab that this administration relishes in, states also. anything to tax us to death.